Wednesday, April 15, 2009

Reply to John T. Simpson of Big Hollywood

This post is a response to John T Simpson, who cited my post on reparations on his blog. Please review his blog post at Big Hollywood to see what I am addressing.

John T. Simpson,

First I would like to thank you John for citing my blog and one of numerous posts I have made on the subject of reparations. This is a subject that I take very seriously and feel needs to be address for the health and future of the nation.

I will assume that you have read all or most of my blog posts on reparations and thus are familiar with my position. For visitors that are not familiar with the subject or my position I suggest they check here and here. Also searching at either of my blogs for Slavery will bring up other pertinent information.

So before I further discuss your position I will first summarize a few facts. First of which is the fact that millions of Africans did not emigrate to America as you suggest in your post. They were forcibly taken, with an estimate of at least 1 - 3 million dying during the transit from Africa to America.

Another point of fact is that these human beings were shipped in conditions that cargo was not treated to. I'm talking about inanimate objects as well as livestock received better care. The levels of inhumanity are unheard of. Which is important as we are speaking about a punitive judgement, which takes into account facts beyond just hours worked. Once these African slaves were on land they entered a life of 24/7 365 subservience, while regarded about the same as furniture or tools.

The average slave that was born into slavery and lived to be 40 would have worked some 233,600 hours by that time. That is without proper medical care, time off, proper living conditions and questionable food among other issues. If the average slave were to have been only paid .05 an hour, and there were some 4 million slaves from 1619 to 1865, they deserved to receive some $934 billion dollars NOT adjusting for inflation or real 2009 dollars according to my quick math right now.

This is the weakest estimate of what is due. And were it not for these Africans, America would not exist. The foundations of the nation LITERALLY was built upon the backs of these people. Which says nothing of the wars that they fought in. Another fact often overlooked, African Americans have fought in every battle America has fought. Also, there are well over 1000 inventions that African Americans created that allow modern America to exist. That includes stoplights and gas masks used by firefighters, as just 2 examples.

So when people argue reparations they are in fact arguing about America. How it was made, sustained, and improved since BEFORE its inception. We are arguing about the place in history, respect, and inheritance due. Reparations is not merely dollars and cents.

Also, let us remember that America has already set a precedence for reparations, TWICE. To American Indians and to Japanese Americans. In both cases these reparations took place long after the actual damage was done. So far, the American Government - my Government - has never apologized for slavery. In fact the best the nation has been able to do since 1619 is a feeble voice vote in the House of Representatives saying that they were remorseful. The House was not even willing to have their names recorded as being against Slavery.

This leads me to another point that is important. The argument that White Americans neither created or benefited from slavery. Which is only a half-truth.

Every American alive today benefits from the work of the slaves. Whether it is the buildings we work in, the roads we travel upon, the food we eat, or the goods we use. Every item in America can be traced back to the foundations and actions of the slaves. Because without their work, most every city would be without many of its oldest buildings. Without their work the agricultural nation that America was would never have existed and thus could never have survived. The roads would never have been separated from trees, fields never plowed, and on and on.

In addition, it is a fact that after slavery ended, segregation and Jim Crow laws took hold. These are de facto acts of slavery. African Americans were routinely denied schooling, proper pay, the Right to vote, the ability to move freely, and just about every other Right you can name up until at least 1965. Which says nothing of the persecution under the law, for real and imagined violations of law.

I say 1965 because the mere fact that the Civil Rights Movement needed to exist meant that every law and enforcement of those laws were biased prior to that time, at least. Thus Americans alive today did in fact benefit from the active persecution and prejudice against African Americans. Many either actively or passively allowed this to happen, making them culpable too. Which says nothing of the lessons of inequality and prejudice that were passed on to their children. Meaning that at least a residual effect of this instructional prejudice and bias was passed on to Americans that today are as young as 35, perhaps even those being born now.

And what is the effect of these generational actions? Well sub-standard education means that African Americans were denied the opportunity to get jobs. Restricted areas of living means that happiness and quality of life were affected. And the persecution in the law meant that the very Rights we all hold dear were denied. How much are those things worth today? How many billions are we spending on the military, education, and healthcare alone? How many of these things were the reason we created this nation in the first place?

Let me clarify something else. Rep. Conyers did not just start to try to pass a Reparations bill after President Obama was elected. He has been entering this legislation EVERY year for over 2 decades now. It has been ignored by Every President and Every Congress since he first brought it up.

Also, during the election cycle none of the Presidential candidates, except Kucinich, would even discuss Reparations. That's in either Party. Because this subject is considered taboo, and more dangerous politically than Social Security. No elected official who wants to remain elected discusses this on national television.

Beyond that lets take another look at the list you presented. It is a list of massive wealth there is no question. Indeed only in America are such changes in economic and political status possible. But what happens once you take out all the people in your list that are entertainers? It goes almost to zero.

Why is that? Because over the CENTURIES, entertainment has been considered a low profession. It was rarely ever considered a profession to bring sustained wealth. In fact up until the last half century it was a profession of relative minor success. But even with this look at how long it took for African Americans to be given roles that were not complete caricatures. Even in recent years we have writers that balk at African Americans portraying their characters (Shawshank Redemption).

Beyond that we also see the result of CENTURIES of denial and repression. Right now I believe that only 3 Forbes 100 companies are lead by an African American. Right now I believe that less than 3% of all the companies in the nation have African American senior management. Right now there is less than 7% of all characters on television in any recurring or major role, in movies, and the people behind the cameras that are all people of color, COMBINED.

So am I happy that a literal handful of entertainers have done well. Of course. But how many people of color have been denied opportunities because they were never given a chance to learn. How many people have lived lives of strife because they were given sub-standard educations. How many never had the chance to provide more for their families because they could only advance to the ceiling and not thru it.

Am I glad that President Obama got elected? Sure, it's a proud statement. But let's not confuse the facts with emotion. A huge number of people (of all races) voted for President Obama solely because he was Black. And no, Dr. King would not have been glad that President Obama was elected - not on the basis of his political beliefs. Neither would Malcolm X or most any political leader of the 50's and 60's. Because their reported political views at the time were more closely aligned with Republicans today than Democrats.

Yet again, the success of 1 or 2 people does not negate or supplant the difficulties of millions. Nor does it evaporate hundreds of years of persecution, reprimand, violence, and pain.

Will reparations heal all these wounds instantly? No. Will it end all the cycles of mistrust, bias, and inequality? No.

But there can be no remedy, no resolution, until we first admit our wrongs and take penitence for them. That is the basis of our legal system. And right now we are denying justice by not even addressing reparations.

And to address your thought that this will bankrupt America, that is a misconception. There are many proposals out there that provide reparations and BENEFIT America. I have even proposed a means by which jobs are CREATED, and the wealth returned to the nation in the form of GDP increases and technology advances.

If done properly reparations BENEFITS all Americans. But the subject has to be addressed to be possible.

Now I am sure some will feel this is long. But in fact this is a very short summary on why reparations are needed, and in fact are a fact of law. I have written on this subject for years, and I have a passion. It is not some new fad, or some wild idea. There are many who have addressed this, going as far back as the 1880's. I think that 120+ years is more than enough time to finally address this.

John, I could go on. But instead I suggest you review my various writting on the subject and then provide me whatever questions or thoughts you have on the subject. While I am passionate I am open to discussion. And only through reasoned passionate debate can we get to an answer that has eluded the nation for centuries.

4 comments:

M. Vass said...

Comment as found at 1800blogger.com, where I am a contributing author.

John T. Simpson Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 7:35 pm e
Michael, I’m telling you, and everyone else riding this Slavery corpse into the ground, GET OVER IT! Not only are you trying to saddle an already shaky economy and government with yet another trillion-dollar tab, it is becoming a source of racial tension. Resentment breeds resentment.

That is not racist, Michael. That is human.

How far back do we go, Michael? Can we sue the British for the Boston Massacre? To Atilla the Hun and the Mongol Hordes? Can Israel sue Egypt for its 400 years of bondage 4000 years ago?

How far back? And will anything ever be enough?

I grew up white in a HOUSING project, Michael! POOR! I’ve been the victim of three racially motivated attacks in my lifetime! What the hell do I owe you, huh? The way I figure it, by your reasoning, is that I, my nephew, who was beaten, stabbed and nearly killed by four Michigan Wolverine gang members, and Reginald Denny, all because of the color of our skin, are all owed some change ourselves!

Those incidents happened in MY lifetime, Michael! Not 140 years ago! Where do I go, huh? What does Reginald Denny have coming to him for his racial brutalization during the LA riots? Do we bill all black Americans for that?

There will never be racial harmony in this country as long the moldy corpse of slavery is tossed onto white Americans’ lawns. 600,000 mostly white Americans made the ultimate sacrifice to end the scourge of slavery. With an ocean of blood, Michael. Cost President Lincoln his life.

You want I should put a price on all that?

How about having a black president elected in a 72% majority-white America? Not payment enough?

Nothing ever will be enough, though, will it? So whose problem is that?

M. Vass said...

Comment as found at 1800blogger, where I am a contributing author.

John T. Simpson Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:15 am e
Open to discussion? Oh really, Michael? Like wiping out my response here in Big Brother fashion? Like you’re gonna wipe this one out, too? What a fraud! Not only are you a gold-digging racial grievance-monger, you’re a censor who won’t tolerate opposing points of view! I owe YOU money? HA!

You’re a waste of time. I’m done with you.

M. Vass said...

Comment as found at 1800blogger, where I am a contributing author.

John T. Simpson Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:17 am e
I take it back, Michael. My comment didn’t show for some reason until I put the second one in. Thought you censored me. I flew off the handle. My bad. I admit when I’m wrong.

My most sincere apologies, Michael. But that’s all you’re getting

M. Vass said...

First, John, this is not my blog nor the one I directed you to from your post. I own Black Entertainment USA. But I am sure that readers on this blog will appreciate the response.

Second, like many large blogs this and my blog require approval before a post appears. You can thank the hoards of spammers for that. The delay may annoy you, but it ensures that you don’t get tons of ads for porn instead of responses.

And as to your reply:

Reparations are not slavery. I thought I made that clear. It starts with slavery and continues right up to the current times. Not only did I summarize this, I have written over a dozen posts on the subject over years. I left you the links to all the posts, did you read any of them?

Again, I also stated in my summary and in multiple posts, the means by which reparations are beneficial to America. To discard the multiple proposals to enact reparations in one sentence that does not apply fairly is to be tunnel-visioned and close-minded.

This is both personal to me and millions of Americans. It rides the line of racism enacted in the past and social racial attitudes that exist today. It’s not racist to ask for an apology and a act of contrition. Neither of which have ever been done.

But you make a nice attempt to make this emotional. While I have tried to keep this passionate and logical, your comments about other wars and actions take it somewhere else (just as your comments about Africa in your original post did - and they were based in sloppy logic by the way).

But to answer your question, America was at war with the British, so that is a different matter. A battle between nations is not the same as an enslavement of a peoples or the active disregard of the humanity of an entire significant portion of the world population (the concept of Africans as being beastial and less than human was not just an American thought - though we have used that logic on the Native Americans, Asians, Latino/Hispanics and just about everyone else non-White).

Attilla the Hun was White and not my concern in this matter. I am speaking of the issues in America, not the world. Thus Israel and Egypt are also not the concern of my discussion on American reparations.

But if you want to go international, look to the actions of the Swiss and Germans in making reparations to Jews for the Holocaust. In many ways such reparations, decades after the fact, are similar. But again, this is not a point I am trying to make. They are not Americans and thus not my concern in this post. Though the reparations to Native American Indians and Japanese Americans are, which you ignored completely.

Again the answer to how far back is the beginning of America. The first RECORDED slave was back in 1619, so I start there. I thought I made that clear.

John, you make is sound like you are the only White American to be poor. Or perhaps that every White American is rich and you were an exception. Americans of all races live on all economic levels. There are tons of Black, Hispanic/Latino, and Asian Americans that are rich, or middle class, or poor. So what does that have to do with anything about reparations? Other than the fact, as I summarized, that the proportion of those people of color that are better off is restricted by the actions of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and continued attitudes towards people of color today.

You offer the 3 incidents in your life, and 1 of your nephew. I feel bad. But what about the 20 incidents I can name in just the last decade. I can name hundreds of incidents in my life across this nation. I can name similar or greater numbers of incidents among every friend that is a person of color. But again, what does that have to do with reparations - beyond perhaps the thought that the continuing disparity of equality and thought of superiority is enabling conflicts even today.

But John, I like how you isolate a smattering of incidents in your lifetime. Because that is what is important to you. But I am looking beyond just me. I am looking at America and the actions of 140 years ago have direct effect on the actions of today. History has a way of doing that. And it can be argued that the murder of Oscar Grant, Sean Bell, Amadou Diallo, the injustice of trials like Wesley Snipes, or OJ Simpson (the second trial), or Rodney King, the assassinations of Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and on and on all connect to the repression of guilt by the nation for not apologizing or making an act of contrition - hell completely avoiding Slavery Jim Crow, and the ongoing inequality in the nation.

I am sorry if you find a moldy corpse of slavery on your lawn John. But as an America it happens to be on mine too. It seem that you prefer to just leave it there and ignore it. I prefer to try to use it to create fertilizer. Which do you think is the better path? Well, from your comments you believe that ignoring it is better.

Ignoring slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and all their effects to today has worked well for many Americans. It’s why there has never been an apology. But again, that doesn’t mean its a positive for the nation. It’s just not obvious how sick and infected America is for many people. Then again, many people just don’t want to work at making things better for everyone, and take the easy way out.

And John, I do appreciate that it took 600,000 Americans to correct the 246 years of slavery in America. Actually it was less than that as at least half of them were on the opposite side. And then there is the fact that slavery was the 5th leading cause of the Civil War. Lincoln himself stated that if he could leave things as they were and keep the Union intact, he would have. And the fact that slavery did not end, as Jim Crow laws and segregation continued it until at least 1965. But don’t mind the fact that untold millions had died by this time - since slaves were considered property and did not need to be recorded or given birth/death certificates. And all of that because of the willful actions of a few.

And I already addressed the success of President Obama. In fact I addressed the recent success of a huge list of African Americans in one of the many posts I have discussing this and similar issues. Have you read any of my posts?

Suffice to say that a handful of people versus millions does not balance the scale, or wipe out the past.

John, please don’t inject your fears with my thoughts. There is a number that is enough. There are multiple plans to resolve this issue, to the improvement of America.

I have provided links to my numerous posts citing in those posts links to original sources, figures, and facts supporting my view. Even in my summary I provided fact, not emotion. You have not disputed any of my facts. You have not challenged my figures. You have given your emotion on the issue. Which is not enough to say America should not correct this problem that has plagued the nation since before it’s inception.

Again, I offer you the chance to review all of the posts I have made on this subject. I ask you to review all of the comments and objections to reparations that have been posed to me. I suggest you review my sources and facts. Then I ask you to provide me an informed objection to support the emotional view you hold.

Because right now, all I see is a man, like many, who is opposed the idea of righting a wrong that this nation committed and refuses to acknowledge. A wrong that continues to affect every American, and for those of color in negatives that affect the daily life dramatically. Such an emotional reaction is not enough to give me pause for a second in the fact based views I hold about reparations.